Buckle up for a bold ride through the lighting industry! Mike & Greg give you a brief recap of the NAILD Convention, and challenge the DLC to display their transparency values by inviting them and D+R to speak up on the Get a Grip on Lighting Podcast this Friday.

Plus, you’ll get some classic Mike & Greg banter, including a wild donkey analogy that somehow makes perfect sense.

In this eye-opening episode, advocate Leo Smith takes us on a journey through the hidden costs of artificial light. From battling LED glare to reshaping roadway illumination for autonomous vehicles, Leo reveals how policy, technology, and environmental justice intersect in the fight against light pollution.

Hear about:

-The surprising dangers of over-lighting our streets

-Legal battles and advocacy for smarter lighting laws

-How connected cars could revolutionize nighttime visibility

-Why preserving darkness is a public health and ecological imperative

Whether you’re a city planner, stargazer, or just tired of sleepless nights, this conversation will change the way you see light—and darkness.

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