In this episode, Michael and Greg sit down with Devin Wall, one of the inventive forces behind Louvers International, to unpack the infamous DLC report and the future of lighting standards.

Highlights:

-The history of industry pushback against DLC certifications (from mafia skits to cease-and-desist letters).

-Devin’s hands-on approach: walking the factory floor, designing real solutions, and tackling heritage lighting retrofits.

-Why many manufacturers see DLC as interference rather than innovation.

-The bigger picture: global standards, sustainability, interoperability, and whether energy efficiency certifications are even relevant anymore.

-Anecdotes from the trenches—cheap imports, failing drivers, and the need for real accountability in lighting.

This isn’t just another lighting chat—it’s a candid, fiery look at how the industry can move forward with creativity, collaboration, and common sense.

Watch now to hear why Devin Wall might just be the mad scientist lighting needs.

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